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tman755 User is offline

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  ! Now for the questions...  15th Apr '07 12:12 AM

Hello everyone, glad to be here. So here's my deal:

I'm a 23 year-old student in Boston, finishing university in June. I'd like to go over to Russia once school is over, in order to (surprise!) improve my Russian. It seems like teaching is the way to go, especially since I enjoy a semi-subsistence lifestyle, meaning that as long as I have books and alcohol, I'm a fairly happy camper.

In terms of qualifications, I don't have many. Bachelor's in computer science is about it, no prior teaching experience. I speak, read, and write fairly well in Russian, I started teaching it to myself 2 years ago during time off from school, and then took the third-year courses in Russian at school this year.

So given all that, here are my questions:

1. Where. St. Petersburg looks interesting, Moscow too huge. It seems that dayice managed to find work very quickly recently going to Novosibirsk. Any recommendations?

2. Timeframe. I may be in striking distance of St. Petes in July this summer. Would it make sense to just try and find work at that point and stay there, or would it be smarter/easier to scout things out, look around for work, and set something up for August or September?

3. What do I need to do to get permission to work in the country? I've seen things on the forum involving printing up letters from companies, but I'm not sure exactly what's going on.

So that's what I've got, I'd really appreciate ideas as to how to proceed from here.
--Tim

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  21st Apr '07 2:27 PM

Hi,
Well, the easiest way of coming to work in Russia is to try to find a job before you arrive. That way your school will arrange the necessary paperwork nad they will advise you how to go about getting your visa.

On the other hand, coming to St. Petersburg is also a good idea because you can check out the schools in person and then make your decision. you can;t work on a tourist visa, but then again, its not too far to go to Riga or Tallinn to get a working visa.

good luck with the Russian

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  24th Apr '07 11:45 AM

Hello, sorry for not getting back to this earlier - been on a wee trip to Scotland and haven't had much chance to keep up with the site.

On to your questions:

tman755 wrote:

1. Where. St. Petersburg looks interesting, Moscow too huge. It seems that dayice managed to find work very quickly recently going to Novosibirsk. Any recommendations?


You can find work quickly just about anywhere, but for a first-timer, I reckon Moscow could be pretty overwhelming. I'd even be a tad wary of the idea of going there. St. Petersburg is a pretty manageable size, and there is no shortage of work here.

tman755 wrote:

2. Timeframe. I may be in striking distance of St. Petes in July this summer. Would it make sense to just try and find work at that point and stay there, or would it be smarter/easier to scout things out, look around for work, and set something up for August or September?


It would make perfect sense if you can stay to work. It's actually harder to arrange things in advance. Being here in person is the key to everything. Possibly keep August/Spetember as a backup in case things don't work out straight away. Regarding visas - it's fairly easy to go and get a longer visa, but:

1) The invitation for a multi-entry (assuming 12 months) visa takes around 28 days to process. It would be worth spending the $50 to get the invitation as soon as you arrive, even if you're not sure you'll use it. That would be cutting things a little fine though... you might end up doing two tourist visas before you get your multi-entry.

2) Ferrari's post might be a tad misleading - you don't need a work visa, and you can't apply for one of these yourself (afaik) - they don't actually entitle you to work anyway, only a work permit does that. See other threads on visas.

tman755 wrote:

3. What do I need to do to get permission to work in the country? I've seen things on the forum involving printing up letters from companies, but I'm not sure exactly what's going on.


To get permission to work in the country, you'd need to go to a school/business that actually gets proper work permits for its teachers. I only know of one that does that in St. Pete's. If you go that route, you're then stuck with that company - you can't go and work elsewhere as your work permit only allows you to work for the company that organised it.

Most teachers go for a 12-month multi-entry business visa and have no trouble with it. Most schools won't care whether you have the right to work or not - it's virtually all cash in hand anyway.

Hope this helps, good luck!

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  28th Apr '07 12:04 AM

Has anyone on here gone the route of going to a smaller town and teaching? After looking into things more, it seems like that might be the best way to go, given that I want to be forced to use Russian a lot when I'm not on the job.

Are there any particular places or schools that people know of along those lines?

Thanks for the help so far,
Tim

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  28th Apr '07 10:04 AM

Yes, virtually anywhere out of the 'main' cities will force you into speaking Russian (the alternative may be starvation )

Look up Digdug's and The Horseman's posts on Oktyabrsky, get in touch with Digdug (Anna) - she's tremendously helpful. Will the Cowboy is also on good terms with the school and is also keen to help people get out there.

I point out these guys because they both gave Oktyabrsky big thumbs-ups for both the school and the city being safe and friendly.

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tman755 User is offline

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  29th Apr '07 12:40 AM

Cool, thanks for the help bobs, I've now read through some of what those two have written about Oktyabrsky, that might be along the lines of what I'm looking for, so I PM'd them. I'll keep exploring in any case.

Couple more questions:

Visa. I read the very helpful thread you guys had here
http://esl.visarus.co.uk/in/RU/Russia/forum/viewtopic/40.asp
and now I'm just going to try and regurgitate what I've read in my own words and see if I've understood...

To get a multi-entry, 12-month business visa, I need a letter of invitation. I can either make one of these letters up myself (I have my own business registered in the States, so that might be an option), get a letter from a school, or pay an agency that does visas to also write me a letter.

Then, I go through a travel service of some kind or a consulate, and obtain the business visa.

Once I have that, I can enter the country, although I'll need to register my visa periodically. Not exactly sure what this step means and what its purpose is, help me out here.

I'll also need to leave the country every couple months, to make it appear when I re-register my visa every so often that I am actually there on business, coming, going, and so forth.

How close am I in my summary?


Next question is accomodation. If I just show up in St. Pete's and want to look for work there, how cheaply could I find a place to stay while I look for work and an apartment? I wouldn't want to burn through too much money in that time.


And then qualifications/presentation. Is it worth taking any sort of course in TEFL before coming over, or is that fairly worthless? Also, in terms of academic qualifications, do any university names carry weight over there? I go to Harvard, and in some parts of the world (Asia in particular) that seems to be a big deal, in others not so much. Not trying to be a prick, just curious as to how to sell myself in Russia.

Thanks for all the help so far, it's fun getting serious about making the move.
--Tim G.

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bobs12 User is offline

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  29th Apr '07 11:12 AM

tman755 wrote:

Once I have that, I can enter the country, although I'll need to register my visa periodically. Not exactly sure what this step means and what its purpose is, help me out here.


You have to 'register' with local authorities (OVIR) within 72 hours (or three working days) of your arrival in the RF. This gets you a stamp in your passport or on a little piece of paper called a registration card (which you get on the way in at the border) that helps to keep you out of trouble.

Now, some places (agencies) only register one month at a time, some two or three months - I get the 'maximum', which is 6. You don't necessarily need to leave the country every time you re-register, but you must leave at least once per six months (so in a twelve month stay, you can, theoretically, leave only once).

tman755 wrote:

I'll also need to leave the country every couple months, to make it appear when I re-register my visa every so often that I am actually there on business, coming, going, and so forth.


This is a nice idea, because business visas are not meant for living in the country. To be honest though, I just don't know whether the authorities really care. A business visa doesn't oblige you to actually be on business - it's just a name. A bit like you're not obliged to rove the land in a Land Rover.

The new registration laws will actually make it a little bothersome (paperwork-wise) to come and go across the border.[/quote]

tman755 wrote:

How close am I in my summary?


Pretty darn well smack in the middle.

tman755 wrote:

Next question is accomodation. If I just show up in St. Pete's and want to look for work there, how cheaply could I find a place to stay while I look for work and an apartment?


Not terribly cheaply. There are hostels for around $15/night, or you could get a room for around $200-ish per month...

tman755 wrote:

I wouldn't want to burn through too much money in that time.


Correct, but beware - it might well happen


tman755 wrote:

And then qualifications/presentation. Is it worth taking any sort of course in TEFL before coming over, or is that fairly worthless?


Ooohhh... that's too big a question for this post been covered at length in other threads, I think I wouldn't stress about it.


tman755 wrote:

Also, in terms of academic qualifications, do any university names carry weight over there? I go to Harvard, and in some parts of the world (Asia in particular) that seems to be a big deal, in others not so much. Not trying to be a prick, just curious as to how to sell myself in Russia.


I *think* it will carry some punch. My American flatmate (sitting across the kitchen table from me) says Russians are all pretty well aware of Harvard and generally take it to be the top US univeristy.

PM me your email address & I'll send you a chunk of an unfinished guidebook that might have some ideas for you

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  19th May '07 7:01 AM

Ahh...I'm in a hurry here, but I saw something about writing your own invitation.

The invitation itself must come from a Russian entity--but even companies often go through a travel agent to obtain this invitation. That must be applied for by an agency/company that is registered with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. There are only a certain number of those...others will actually get their invites done by those agencies and find a way to profit.

Anyway, you can write your own cover letter (which could be from your own business), but not the official invitation itself. (And sometimes you need a copy upon entry or at other times during your stay--although I haven't.)

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